Comments on: Do You Wait for the Decisive Moment or do You Spray and Pray? https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/ Photography tips, tutorials and guides for Beginner and Intermediate Photographers. Sat, 29 Nov 2025 21:57:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: formerfatguy https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-18019 Fri, 10 Oct 2014 03:03:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-18019 In reply to Darlene Hildebrandt.

I’m convinced that Blake does not read the articles

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By: Darlene Hildebrandt https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16345 Fri, 30 May 2014 03:13:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16345 There are a very few labs left that handle film but they are out there

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By: Darlene Hildebrandt https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16326 Mon, 19 May 2014 23:09:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16326 A histogram is part of every image – view it in any image editing program and you can see that same histogram again that you saw when you shot it.

Exposing for the highlights is great – IF you actually want detail there and it’s a light colored subject. But if you have a histogram pushed over to the right to get more in the light areas, but your subject is black – it’s overexposed and you can tell when you’ve shot it. Have you read this?

https://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-read-and-use-histograms/

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By: Lanna https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16318 Sun, 18 May 2014 15:32:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16318 “After a certain age, you got the face you deserve, I think” – this is the best quote for me.

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By: KP Karunakaran https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16313 Fri, 16 May 2014 22:46:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16313 Darlene, thank you so much for posting the Cartier Bresson film – I can watch this again and again. I adore his photographs, each one to me is a story. The first time I have heard his voice, loved his narration and bits of humour. Thanks you!

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By: Edmund https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16312 Fri, 16 May 2014 07:05:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16312 In reply to Larry C.

Hi Larry C, although I started with 35mm I earned my living with a 5×4″ which is still somewhere in a heavy, expensive, hand made wooden box with all the lenses and dark slides, a black & red hood, changing bag to enable more film to be fitted and a huge wooden tripod. The advantage was, with bellows between the body and the lens every lens was tilt/shift. I would take the exposed film home and develop it in a long (and rather smelly) process in my darkroom before getting to see whether I had what the client wanted.

My work was with color transparency film, Cartier-Bresson used B&W negative film, before that there was albumen-silver wet slides, cyanotype, salted paper etc. Technology moves on – I once mocked someone for having autofocus! One of the benefits of digital (have you seen the size of a scanned 35mm slide?) is the ability to post process – almost any photographer who will be reading this will do some processing of their image.

Would I go back to 5×4″ – no way! Darlene is quite right with her 6 steps to better photos and the more thought you put into a photo, from the quality of the light to the right moment to press the shutter and the framing off the shot (get off your butt and move to the perfect position, don’t stand in one place and zoom), the more successfully are you able to express yourself in your art.

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By: Darlene Hildebrandt https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16311 Fri, 16 May 2014 06:53:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16311 In reply to Blake Lewis.

Maybe not but you’ve still missed the point of the article. See my reply to your comment.

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By: Darlene Hildebrandt https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16310 Fri, 16 May 2014 06:50:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16310 Thanks Edmund. Do you have an example of a histogram that doesn’t “come up to scratch” as you say? What time of scene like a sunset?

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By: Darlene Hildebrandt https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16309 Fri, 16 May 2014 06:49:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16309 In reply to ColininOz.

See that’s the thing about portrait photography – it’s not my choice it’s the clients’! So whichever they prefer. I like the interactive one personally but we did different ones like this intentionally and I took a few images when I felt the timing was just right.

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By: Darlene Hildebrandt https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16308 Fri, 16 May 2014 06:47:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16308 In reply to abrianna.

Perfect applications and examples!

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By: Darlene Hildebrandt https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16307 Fri, 16 May 2014 06:46:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16307 In reply to Allen Cook.

Yes exactly, thanks Allen

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By: Darlene Hildebrandt https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16306 Fri, 16 May 2014 06:45:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16306 In reply to Blake Lewis.

Blake did you actually read the article? Um I said that! Read it again noting the part where I said “When is shooting rapid fire an advantage?” like the whole middle section. You’ll notice I talked about moving objects and sports being applicable for burst mode.

You missed the point. I teach and see many new photographers using this mode on still objects and blasting off 20-30 shots of the thing. In my opinion that’s not necessary and you will get better results being more intentional.

Yes there is a time for each – maybe read it again.

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By: Blake Lewis https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16304 Fri, 16 May 2014 04:21:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16304 In reply to Larry C.

You’re comparing apples and oranges. There’s a difference between comparing the quality of a ‘boiled’ burger and a ‘real’ one in taste, in most cases, but photography is entirely different. By your logic, you’re claiming you can tell the difference between a single perfectly timed shot, and the same shot picked out of a burst of 10. I sincerely doubt you can.

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By: Larry C https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16302 Fri, 16 May 2014 00:04:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16302 Like Darlene & Allen (we’re showing our ages here) I learned on film. I know Darlene cut her teeth on a 4X5 like I did, there was no spray unless you got to close to the neg washer, but still in those early years a lot of praying. Later as an equestrian photographer, I had to “anticipate the moment” / “capture the decisive moment” and when the mirror clattered up on the old Canon there were times I really didn’t get to see what I captured till the film came back from the lab and we ran it through the Photovix. Then I learned to shoot with both eyes open and could pursue the second and third shot if something interesting was happening. I agree with Darlene there is a time & place for “Burst Mode” however relying on Spray and Pray in those situations where it is not needed (i.e. group portraits ) does nothing for the art. I feel most professionals who are sought after for their style, creativity and ability to deliver predictable images consistently with confidence for their clients will use “Burst Mode” when appropriate. Using the “Fixing it in photoshop later prescription ” on what should be straight forward imaging does not make you a photographer… it makes you a computer technologist.

Using Photoshop/Aperture/Lightroom to bring about the creation of a work of art where photography is a component is embracing technology. The same can be said of HDR and enhancement programs. They use technology to enhance what is already there. That is just pushing the boundaries of traditional photography ito the next level. Does the ends justify the means… we could debate that far into the future. A hamburger coming out of a “boil’n bag” in a fast food joint and a fresh handcrafted gourmet burger are both hamburgers. Could you tell the difference? I would hope so….

As a side note William Mortensen 1897-1965 had his Camera Craft publications burned & he was described by Ansel Adams as alternately the “Devil”, and “the anti-Christ.””[6] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mortensen}

Mortensen was a classically trained artist, he manipulated and retouched his pictorial images to create what the camera couldn’t. Ahead of his time… yes. He was a phenomenal photographic artist and technically superior darkroom technician, thus his work and books demand high prices when they come available and are held in high esteem by collectors and museums. Did he spray and pray? Using a 4 X 5, I doubt it.

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By: ColininOz https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16301 Fri, 16 May 2014 00:03:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16301 Darlene – in your two images of the extended family on the steps above you say that these were the distillation from your shoot. Not to the point of ‘spray and pray’ I know – but these two are very different. In the one everybody is looking at the camera and you can hear the chorus of ‘cheese’. In the other they are all looking with natural interest at the young lad trying to stimulate the baby, Five are in profile . The shot has internal human interest . Which would you say ‘captures the moment’ better ?

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By: abrianna https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16300 Thu, 15 May 2014 15:46:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16300 I use both-you can use the decisive moment while using spray and pray. For instance I was shooting sting rays the other day. I knew I wanted one shot of one coming straight toward me so I could get a straight on face shot. They move fast so after trying a few times with one shot to get my straight on shot and missing it every time, I switched to burst mode. I got the shot.

Another time I was shooting baby ducks. I wanted a close up of their feet as their feet were orange and black. Those babies also were fast movers, so while I knew the shot I wanted, I did not know if I could get it. I used continuous burst mode and I did get a close up of just their feet.

Summer swim team starts next week and you can bet that at meets I have to use continuous burst modes to get any decent shots at all. I also do a lot of macros where I can wait for the decisive moment-unless I am trying to shoot bees-in order to get a decent macro I needed continuous burst as they move erratically. Shooting stills of buildings, people, flowers etc I can wait for the decisive moment. Shooting moving people, things, or animals needs spray and pray in order to get the decisive moment shot.

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By: Allen Cook https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16299 Thu, 15 May 2014 15:36:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16299 In reply to Blake Lewis.

Sir Blake. I think Ms. Darlene covered her points quite well. There’s no hint of a trivial superiority complex being expressed whatsoever. Seems to me she makes it very clear there are situations in which Burst Mode is applicable, photographing bands as you do being one of them. Ms. Darlene IMO is doing her best to serve those with ears to hear. Slowing down and being more deliberate in making images does make one a more observant photographer. Plus it increases the possibilities of having a higher percentage of good images. I too learned on film, thus spray and pray was potentially expensive and wasteful. Obviously digital has changed all that. Also, being a musician that sometimes plays in wedding bands (keyboards), I talk to the photographers when I can. A lot of them agree that sifting through all the images is not something they look forward to – it’s a necessary part of the gig. With that said, I think it’s great that you’ve got a quick workable culling system in place. Thumbs up, sir. Write an article. Share your knowledge and expertise. Be well.

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By: Blake Lewis https://www.digitalphotomentor.com/do-you-wait-for-the-decisive-moment-or-do-you-spray-and-pray/#comment-16298 Thu, 15 May 2014 14:59:00 +0000 https://digitalphotomentor.com/?p=10102#comment-16298 Ugh. This kind of trivial superiority complex is everything that’s wrong with the industry. Cameras come with hundreds of settings, and no method of photography is ‘wrong.’ Every mode is useful, as is every setting; including burst mode. The concept that you’re a poor photographer, or not as good a photographer, based on the techniques or methods you use to capture the image is no different to sitting there and telling people that choosing to shoot with a Nikon camera makes you worse than a Canon user, or that editing on a PC with Photoshop is worse than on a Mac with Lightroom, or because they shoot raw and edit it afterwards rather than ‘getting it right in camera.’

I shoot live music in local venues, and I shoot burst mode. On a good day, I have bright lights whizzing around and an animated band leaping around the stage, and on a bad day I’ll have two dark, red gel lights and half the band standing in shadow. Burst mode, and knowing my settings, allows me to capture the best moments in a gig. I can’t sit there and wait for the ‘decisive moment’ when I can barely see what’s going on. Bursting a set of 5-8 shots means I can choose the difference between a drummer’s sticks blurring, or frozen in mid air. It means the difference between the guitarist standing there and looking boring, or having the most amazing look of joy or concentration on his face that you might have missed if you’d waited a fifth of a second. Maybe there’s a strobe going off – can you time for a quick strobe that’s faster than the blink of an eye?

Burst mode is just another tool in your toolbelt. If it helps you get the shot, more power to you. It’s no more ‘cheating’ than touching up your image in post production is. Just because you can’t do it on film doesn’t make it an illegitimate technique. If you wind up with too many shots, so be it – I can shoot three bands, come home with 1,000 shots, and pare them down to the best 36 or so within an hour or two.

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